xenoranger · May 05, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

It's like this, Thallandor...

What you really need is organization. I'm not sure how your guild works, but if my wife and I decide to go forward and start our own PvE, we'd set up a page with all guild expectations as well as a chain for problem resolution should internal differences become unreconcilable. This way, people can enjoy the game and don't sponge off of the group.

More over, I have little respect for the guilds that just spam invitations in town. Honestly, you should just invite people you feel would be an asset. And they should be people you have known for longer than a single mission. Basically, tranfer from friends list to guild member.

Meh...
For now, it's all about enjoyment of the game. And to be honest, I kinda like the no-commitment model. Less politics to sap the fun from the game.

Thallandor · May 05, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

In a way i agree with you but more often than not using friend list to guild works well but can often be a slower process. This is not considering the need to ask the friend who is possibly already in another guild to quit to join yours....

In GWP playing as a couple, most of the missions and quest are easily done without having to touch PuGs and you can run each other easily across towns and missions. However, In Factions, unless the Hencie's AI is significantly improved i dont foresee it as a viable option and bad PuGs maybe too frustrating to endure.

Each to his own, good luck with your guild and have fun

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Rayne Nightfyre · May 08, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

You definitely did the right thing in leaving. Starting your own guild seems like the way to go; and make sure you clearly outline your expectations. Unless you have a decent amount of friends willing to start the guild off, it can be frustrating trying to form and advance a new guild. My advice would be just to start it with you and your wife, and just play through the game, seeing who you run across.

I wish the best of luck to you, and feel free to ask if you need help with anything.

Winterclaw · May 08, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

You did the right thing in leaving. Not knowing how you left, you should have posted clear reasons, with examples if possible, of what was wrong. As a guild leader myself, I understand people might want to do their own thing or have disagreements, but I also expect them to have the common curtesy of letting me know why they are leaving.

xenoranger · May 08, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Well, we did start our own Guild.

Nomadic Bohemians

Rule:
1) Must spend 1 hr a week helping other guildies (Anti-mooch clause)
2) Problems with guildies should be discussed directly with the guildie before involving an officer/guild leader
3) Must have fun (since, it is a game, and quite frankly if you're not having fun, then you wasted $50)

The name was inspired by that guild leader. He called me an "F---ing nomad" b/c I apparently bounce from guild to guild. The funny part is, I've been in 4 guilds. 3/4 were him having guilds, disbanding them, then building a new guild. The 4th guild was a sister guild, so I really didn't leave the circle of friends (or atleast that's what I used to call them).

Winterclaw:
The commom curtesy of letting people know why you're leaving did not apply in this case. The reason is because this guild leader has in the past justified his own actions. He could curse someone out for no reason at all and think he was justified. I didn't see a point in arguing it, so I figured stepping out quietly was the best.

Daithi the wolf · May 08, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Sometimes youll just find that a leader of a guild lacks any leadership qualitys. I think it was best you left. If people ask for help in a guild I only ever help those I trust and know. To many times new members have joined only so they can get free runs every where.

Tufty · May 08, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

What is a guiod anyway? I mean I play PvE all the time and now with these new missions I have come across I can do PvE while strolling around Cantha. I'm quite a good player and found when In a guild I tended to be hounded for help constantly or asked for free things. I'm a little pissed about stuff like that as I played the game through twice on my own so I know it's hard but people dont seem to want to help themselves when someone else can do the hard work.
My latest guild is good though and has now smurfed down to 3 guilds. I'm still an officer in the original one but no longer offer help as Im busy with Cantha. Is that a bad thing? But one thing I have noticed though is that when a guild hits a certain figure thet tend to start falling apart at the seams

xenoranger · May 08, 2006, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Well, my thoughts on guilds is that you should help eachother out. But you need to find a way to wield out the moochers. That's why I put the clause in there about helping out. Just kinda a way of saying "Give back or get out". Not really keen. I used to be the one helping everyone int eh guilds as well. But when I needed/wanted help, friends list or PuG.

Thallandor · May 08, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

I wish you all the best with the "Nomadic Bohemians" Xenoranger. Have fun

Replicant · May 08, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

sounds like the other 5 guilds i was in lol. I would help them out doing missions and stuff and if i ever asked for help i never got a response.. i left those guilds and joined my friends guild back in october and just do a mix between getting help, giving help and generally being the best officer i can.

seems like most guilds, especially big guilds, are like that, they want your help but if you ever need anything, even 100g, theres noone to be found.

glad you and your wife left and are forming a guild. don't forget theres that thing called "real-life" as well.

xenoranger · May 08, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

It's that thing called "REAL LIFE" that I'm trying to preserve by not having my GW time more stressful/unsatisfying than my job. (at times, b/c I have apretty nice job)

Winterclaw · May 08, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenoranger

Winterclaw:
The commom curtesy of letting people know why you're leaving did not apply in this case. The reason is because this guild leader has in the past justified his own actions. He could curse someone out for no reason at all and think he was justified. I didn't see a point in arguing it, so I figured stepping out quietly was the best.

He might have been a jerk, but there could also have been others in your ex guild that weren't jerks. Plus it would be a clear reason for everyone why you were gone. Maybe one or two of the others would have ended up agreeing with you. You don't have to argue anything, just leave a short and simple message.

BTW, even if you think it didn't apply to him, you should at least tried to have been better than he.

xenoranger · May 08, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Yeah, true.

Honestly, I wasn't an officer or nothing, so when I left, I didn't think it a major deal. Besides, I didn't talk to anyone in the guild. I didn't see a point in announcing my departure. Keeping quiet was the best way (IMO) to make him look like an idiot.

How so....
#1) I did nothing that he can prove to the guild or others that would lessen me
#2) I'm not disrupting the guild by exposing his flaws as a leader.
#3) At the moment I left, if I'd started an arguement, I was so pissed that I might've said things that could get me in more trouble.

I forget who to credit for the expression, but ...

Quote:

Better to be thought a fool and remain silent, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Sure, not the most curious way to leave, but IMO, the best way to avoid exacerbating things.

Eviance · May 09, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Ya know my husband is the leader of our guild, I am what is called the First Mate =P

Anyways there were times when we would argue over his treatment of the other guild mates... Basically while he was busy with school I was running the guild and there were several who either didn't like him or referred to me as leader... It got so bad that one time I logged on to see that I had been promoted to guild leader... This opened a whole can of wurms, like the big ugly one that has that necro elite >_< Anyways it was stupid stuff that over time was fixed once my fearful leader/husband got time to spend with his guild mates.
It's all ironed out and he spends time with the guildies when he can and now treats them all equal instead of being cowardly cause he doesn't know someone (and thusly coming off as a jerk).
Anyways, if he makes a mistake I fix it... If something goes wrong in the guild or we have to let a member go cause of fights - I do damage control. Unless it has to do with me, then he does damage control or if its something he thinks I would feel to strongly about he deals with it.

Nearly everyone in our guild are friends, we talk and hang out and we all trust each other!

That guild leader was a real .... *bleep* >_>
You didn't have to notify of your departure for his behavior towards his other guildmates made it very clear that he doesn't really care for his guild. It is typical for someone to at least let you know why you are being kicked as well, but most guilds don't adhere to that! If a scammer finds his or her way into my guild I am not about to make any announcement for why they are no longer wanted in our pressense. I had a guy that wanted in our guild just to mooch - from my own pocket I loaded him up with materials he would need and about 5k (within 20mins of being in the guild) and then I booted him, he never asked why he was booted, and before he was booted he never thanked me for the 200 steel ingots and gold..... Those who actually message me asking why they were booted are told. If it's an offense such as saying something that someone doesn't like we hold a meeting and its talked about. We give a warning and help the two parties work out the issue and if for some reason it continues (which it never has yet) then we give a last warning - one last time and they are kicked reguardless.

Anyways I think you and your wife should start your own guild! If not and you don't expect to much there are some really great guilds out there try and get with. Starting from scratch is hard! Easier done if you have a decent friends list that will fall into the guild.

Good Luck hun! Glad that you feel you did the right thing and sorry for how they treated you and your wife ;_;

xenoranger · May 09, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eviance

Ya know my husband is the leader of our guild, I am what is called the First Mate =P

...Abbreviated...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eviance

some reason it continues (which it never has yet) then we give a last warning - one last time and they are kicked reguardless.

Anyways I think you and your wife should start your own guild! If not and you don't expect to much there are some really great guilds out there try and get with. Starting from scratch is hard! Easier done if you have a decent friends list that will fall into the guild.

Good Luck hun! Glad that you feel you did the right thing and sorry for how they treated you and your wife ;_;

Whoa... that's alot to take in. But it does sound like you and I are on the same track when it comes to guilds and how they should be handled.

Yeah, my thought is, if you have a problem wiht someone, talk to them first. You don't have to like all your guildies, but you should at least respect them as people. Either way, it really is a matter of structure and good leadership. That's how the best guilds remain. I'm not looking to be the best PvP, GvG or whatever guild on teh severs, but I'm looking to keep our new guild as a group of friends who can come, hangout, and get help from one another as needed. Honestly, if you can't depend on your guild for support, why are you there?

Eviance · May 09, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Exactly! (prepare for me to do my usual longwindedness >_>)

Our guild started from a bad guild break with friends who didn't like my brother, when in truth he had nothing to do with the constant bitching that went on between the guild leader and her officer boyfriend. Too much drama for us, and it was sad cause they were friends till they started kicking friends (and my brother) without even so much as a warning. So we formed our own, gathered some friends from a message board and occassionally we pick up the random stray that doesn't have a home. We don't care what lvl or if they are even good...

We picked up a couple of new guys once in Frost Gate I think it was... One wanted to be an elitest and was in awe of us (which while flattering was a bit unnerving, cause we are anything but elitests).
The guy in awe of us was so bent on rushing so he could be as cool as us in the coolest armor and with the coolest weapons. We refused to help him in his rush to fame... Suddenly there were complaints about how he was annoying and wasn't listening and he only cared about being 1337...
He kept wanting to go to FoW but he was unwilling to listen to what we were trying to explain. So finally we got fed up and said: Fine you want to know what it takes to be like us, bring your leet warrior to ToA last district and we will show you!
He couldn't stance tank to save his life! Between me and my brother we burned about 12plat trying to show him why we weren't taking him with us on these 7hr trips to FoW.
Finally we called a meeting and I was made spokes peson since they thought I was best at explaining how everyone felt without being mean. I told him that he let his quest for leetness get in the way of being a good player and that we weren't trying to hold him back or make a fool of him in ToA but trying to prove that you do NOT become the best overnight - it takes time!

He nodded and took it in stride - in less than 2mths he made officer for being helpful and caring - He turned into an excellent guildmate! And in most of the guilds opinion the best warrior we know! I think out of all the guild mates we have had, he was the one we had to knock the hardest but we got the best results from him for it! He comes from a long line of gaming where he was #1 and to be in a guild with just friends that aren't anywhere near #1 must be hard for him - but I think he believes that without us he wouldn't have strove to be the best that he can be.

That other guy that joined up tho... Well he later called me a B*tch >_> We are all still very confused and apearantly he doesn't recall doing it either... o_O;;; He was asked 3times to explain the reason he said that but refused to respond past the "oh, fine .. i'm sorry" we asked him to try a little better than that and explain what his issue was.... He didn't and he logged.... We called an officer meeting and I informed my husband (who was at school) as to what had happened.... We all agreed to a booting, if he couldn't be bothered to explain himself, then neither could we. He later asked why he had been kicked... Said he didn't recall saying it but that he was sorry - he was offered the chance to come back on probation but refused (thankfully - he was unteachable and refused to read guild chat).

Every guild has things this way - I have brought so many lame ones into the guild I can hardly count them, but I have brought in about as many good ones as well. Now we screen more closely. If they haven't dirrectly contacted us and given some background on themselves - or are not decently known by another member they don't get in.

Had a guildie that thought a monk was good so he asked me to give an invite - the FIRST THING SHE ASKS FOR IS YELLOW ARMOR!

We were floored.... We said how about ecto to which she expected us to give her... She was promptly kicked lol... I swear some people act like you were born yesterday.

Our guild has lofty dreams of holding halls and having a decent guild rank but its not worth hurting our guildies to get to - it will happen, eventually ^_^

I sincerely wish you the best of luck with you guild! It sounds like you have the right idea on how to run things, I think you will be fine! ^_^!!!!

Gmr Leon · May 09, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenoranger

Actually, we might start our own PvE guild. We'll see how it works out.

If you go with that idea,trust me in the fact that it isn't easy.

Josh · May 09, 2006, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by GmrLeon

If you go with that idea,trust me in the fact that it isn't easy.

If you read further down, he already has with his wife.

Good luck.

Thallandor · May 09, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

@Eviance, your last post details the story of my life in our guild history as well

nice to hear that i am not suffering alone lol.

Gmr Leon · May 10, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

If you read further down, he already has with his wife.

Good luck.

Oops,anyway I wish you good luck Xenoranger.

May 05, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54	#22
Thallandor Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Singapore Guild: Seers of Serpents [SoS] Profession: R/	In a way i agree with you but more often than not using friend list to guild works well but can often be a slower process. This is not considering the need to ask the friend who is possibly already in another guild to quit to join yours.... In GWP playing as a couple, most of the missions and quest are easily done without having to touch PuGs and you can run each other easily across towns and missions. However, In Factions, unless the Hencie's AI is significantly improved i dont foresee it as a viable option and bad PuGs maybe too frustrating to endure. Each to his own, good luck with your guild and have fun Edit for sentance structure Last edited by Thallandor; May 05, 2006 at 01:55 PM // 13:55..

May 09, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23	#34
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	Ya know my husband is the leader of our guild, I am what is called the First Mate =P Anyways there were times when we would argue over his treatment of the other guild mates... Basically while he was busy with school I was running the guild and there were several who either didn't like him or referred to me as leader... It got so bad that one time I logged on to see that I had been promoted to guild leader... This opened a whole can of wurms, like the big ugly one that has that necro elite >_< Anyways it was stupid stuff that over time was fixed once my fearful leader/husband got time to spend with his guild mates. It's all ironed out and he spends time with the guildies when he can and now treats them all equal instead of being cowardly cause he doesn't know someone (and thusly coming off as a jerk). Anyways, if he makes a mistake I fix it... If something goes wrong in the guild or we have to let a member go cause of fights - I do damage control. Unless it has to do with me, then he does damage control or if its something he thinks I would feel to strongly about he deals with it. Nearly everyone in our guild are friends, we talk and hang out and we all trust each other! That guild leader was a real .... bleep >_> You didn't have to notify of your departure for his behavior towards his other guildmates made it very clear that he doesn't really care for his guild. It is typical for someone to at least let you know why you are being kicked as well, but most guilds don't adhere to that! If a scammer finds his or her way into my guild I am not about to make any announcement for why they are no longer wanted in our pressense. I had a guy that wanted in our guild just to mooch - from my own pocket I loaded him up with materials he would need and about 5k (within 20mins of being in the guild) and then I booted him, he never asked why he was booted, and before he was booted he never thanked me for the 200 steel ingots and gold..... Those who actually message me asking why they were booted are told. If it's an offense such as saying something that someone doesn't like we hold a meeting and its talked about. We give a warning and help the two parties work out the issue and if for some reason it continues (which it never has yet) then we give a last warning - one last time and they are kicked reguardless. Anyways I think you and your wife should start your own guild! If not and you don't expect to much there are some really great guilds out there try and get with. Starting from scratch is hard! Easier done if you have a decent friends list that will fall into the guild. Good Luck hun! Glad that you feel you did the right thing and sorry for how they treated you and your wife ;_; Last edited by Eviance; May 09, 2006 at 05:34 AM // 05:34..

May 05, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41	#21
xenoranger Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005	It's like this, Thallandor... What you really need is organization. I'm not sure how your guild works, but if my wife and I decide to go forward and start our own PvE, we'd set up a page with all guild expectations as well as a chain for problem resolution should internal differences become unreconcilable. This way, people can enjoy the game and don't sponge off of the group. More over, I have little respect for the guilds that just spam invitations in town. Honestly, you should just invite people you feel would be an asset. And they should be people you have known for longer than a single mission. Basically, tranfer from friends list to guild member. Meh... For now, it's all about enjoyment of the game. And to be honest, I kinda like the no-commitment model. Less politics to sap the fun from the game.

May 08, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03	#23
Rayne Nightfyre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Acolytes of Lyssa [AL] Profession: Me/A	You definitely did the right thing in leaving. Starting your own guild seems like the way to go; and make sure you clearly outline your expectations. Unless you have a decent amount of friends willing to start the guild off, it can be frustrating trying to form and advance a new guild. My advice would be just to start it with you and your wife, and just play through the game, seeing who you run across. I wish the best of luck to you, and feel free to ask if you need help with anything.

May 08, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47	#24
Winterclaw Wark!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Profession: W/	You did the right thing in leaving. Not knowing how you left, you should have posted clear reasons, with examples if possible, of what was wrong. As a guild leader myself, I understand people might want to do their own thing or have disagreements, but I also expect them to have the common curtesy of letting me know why they are leaving.

May 08, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01	#25
xenoranger Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005	Well, we did start our own Guild. Nomadic Bohemians Rule: 1) Must spend 1 hr a week helping other guildies (Anti-mooch clause) 2) Problems with guildies should be discussed directly with the guildie before involving an officer/guild leader 3) Must have fun (since, it is a game, and quite frankly if you're not having fun, then you wasted $50) The name was inspired by that guild leader. He called me an "F---ing nomad" b/c I apparently bounce from guild to guild. The funny part is, I've been in 4 guilds. 3/4 were him having guilds, disbanding them, then building a new guild. The 4th guild was a sister guild, so I really didn't leave the circle of friends (or atleast that's what I used to call them). Winterclaw: The commom curtesy of letting people know why you're leaving did not apply in this case. The reason is because this guild leader has in the past justified his own actions. He could curse someone out for no reason at all and think he was justified. I didn't see a point in arguing it, so I figured stepping out quietly was the best.

May 08, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20	#26
Daithi the wolf Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ireland Guild: Fcuk Profession: W/R	Sometimes youll just find that a leader of a guild lacks any leadership qualitys. I think it was best you left. If people ask for help in a guild I only ever help those I trust and know. To many times new members have joined only so they can get free runs every where.

May 08, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33	#27
Tufty Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Guild: CUTE	What is a guiod anyway? I mean I play PvE all the time and now with these new missions I have come across I can do PvE while strolling around Cantha. I'm quite a good player and found when In a guild I tended to be hounded for help constantly or asked for free things. I'm a little pissed about stuff like that as I played the game through twice on my own so I know it's hard but people dont seem to want to help themselves when someone else can do the hard work. My latest guild is good though and has now smurfed down to 3 guilds. I'm still an officer in the original one but no longer offer help as Im busy with Cantha. Is that a bad thing? But one thing I have noticed though is that when a guild hits a certain figure thet tend to start falling apart at the seams

May 08, 2006, 12:43 PM // 12:43	#28
xenoranger Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005	Well, my thoughts on guilds is that you should help eachother out. But you need to find a way to wield out the moochers. That's why I put the clause in there about helping out. Just kinda a way of saying "Give back or get out". Not really keen. I used to be the one helping everyone int eh guilds as well. But when I needed/wanted help, friends list or PuG.

May 08, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52	#29
Thallandor Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Singapore Guild: Seers of Serpents [SoS] Profession: R/	I wish you all the best with the "Nomadic Bohemians" Xenoranger. Have fun

May 08, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02	#30
Replicant Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/Me	sounds like the other 5 guilds i was in lol. I would help them out doing missions and stuff and if i ever asked for help i never got a response.. i left those guilds and joined my friends guild back in october and just do a mix between getting help, giving help and generally being the best officer i can. seems like most guilds, especially big guilds, are like that, they want your help but if you ever need anything, even 100g, theres noone to be found. glad you and your wife left and are forming a guild. don't forget theres that thing called "real-life" as well.

May 08, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#31
xenoranger Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005	It's that thing called "REAL LIFE" that I'm trying to preserve by not having my GW time more stressful/unsatisfying than my job. (at times, b/c I have apretty nice job)

May 09, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#36
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	Exactly! (prepare for me to do my usual longwindedness >_>) Our guild started from a bad guild break with friends who didn't like my brother, when in truth he had nothing to do with the constant bitching that went on between the guild leader and her officer boyfriend. Too much drama for us, and it was sad cause they were friends till they started kicking friends (and my brother) without even so much as a warning. So we formed our own, gathered some friends from a message board and occassionally we pick up the random stray that doesn't have a home. We don't care what lvl or if they are even good... We picked up a couple of new guys once in Frost Gate I think it was... One wanted to be an elitest and was in awe of us (which while flattering was a bit unnerving, cause we are anything but elitests). The guy in awe of us was so bent on rushing so he could be as cool as us in the coolest armor and with the coolest weapons. We refused to help him in his rush to fame... Suddenly there were complaints about how he was annoying and wasn't listening and he only cared about being 1337... He kept wanting to go to FoW but he was unwilling to listen to what we were trying to explain. So finally we got fed up and said: Fine you want to know what it takes to be like us, bring your leet warrior to ToA last district and we will show you! He couldn't stance tank to save his life! Between me and my brother we burned about 12plat trying to show him why we weren't taking him with us on these 7hr trips to FoW. Finally we called a meeting and I was made spokes peson since they thought I was best at explaining how everyone felt without being mean. I told him that he let his quest for leetness get in the way of being a good player and that we weren't trying to hold him back or make a fool of him in ToA but trying to prove that you do NOT become the best overnight - it takes time! He nodded and took it in stride - in less than 2mths he made officer for being helpful and caring - He turned into an excellent guildmate! And in most of the guilds opinion the best warrior we know! I think out of all the guild mates we have had, he was the one we had to knock the hardest but we got the best results from him for it! He comes from a long line of gaming where he was #1 and to be in a guild with just friends that aren't anywhere near #1 must be hard for him - but I think he believes that without us he wouldn't have strove to be the best that he can be. That other guy that joined up tho... Well he later called me a B*tch >_> We are all still very confused and apearantly he doesn't recall doing it either... o_O;;; He was asked 3times to explain the reason he said that but refused to respond past the "oh, fine .. i'm sorry" we asked him to try a little better than that and explain what his issue was.... He didn't and he logged.... We called an officer meeting and I informed my husband (who was at school) as to what had happened.... We all agreed to a booting, if he couldn't be bothered to explain himself, then neither could we. He later asked why he had been kicked... Said he didn't recall saying it but that he was sorry - he was offered the chance to come back on probation but refused (thankfully - he was unteachable and refused to read guild chat). Every guild has things this way - I have brought so many lame ones into the guild I can hardly count them, but I have brought in about as many good ones as well. Now we screen more closely. If they haven't dirrectly contacted us and given some background on themselves - or are not decently known by another member they don't get in. Had a guildie that thought a monk was good so he asked me to give an invite - the FIRST THING SHE ASKS FOR IS YELLOW ARMOR! We were floored.... We said how about ecto to which she expected us to give her... She was promptly kicked lol... I swear some people act like you were born yesterday. Our guild has lofty dreams of holding halls and having a decent guild rank but its not worth hurting our guildies to get to - it will happen, eventually ^_^ I sincerely wish you the best of luck with you guild! It sounds like you have the right idea on how to run things, I think you will be fine! ^_^!!!!

May 09, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56	#39
Thallandor Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Singapore Guild: Seers of Serpents [SoS] Profession: R/	@Eviance, your last post details the story of my life in our guild history as well nice to hear that i am not suffering alone lol.